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| Tiny | Date: Wednesday, 2012-07-18, 7:01 PM | Message # 1 |
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| I am sure all of you have been 60'ed many times in pvp. Well today while been camped, I was 60'ed 7 times in 4 minuets and I am sure all of you can relate to how much fun that is. This server gives it all to us straight away, its all free, we don't have to work to get gears or levels. It isn't hard to kill someone so why don't we actually use skill instead of a war using 60 skills?
I just want to put these ideas out because as we all know this is just a second server to haven and it takes a long time for the admins to get time to make changes on this server. Post your ideas for this below as well and I "think" I can make changes to the poll later on. I also need some ideas for the option 3.
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| Agony | Date: Thursday, 2012-07-26, 10:16 AM | Message # 2 |
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| Well I joined this server yesterday, and I already died 14 times only by 60 skills/erasers,
yeah I understand that they're part of the game, but as Tiny already said "Gears are free, everything is free", so I'm sure people could be satisfied with their own power and without the 60 skills.
/Support
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| Arthas | Date: Thursday, 2012-07-26, 10:28 PM | Message # 3 |
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| I don't agree with you guys, i think the sever rocks how he is right now with full skills working, the real EP4 shaiya it's perfect
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| DemiGod | Date: Thursday, 2012-07-26, 10:33 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Absolutly wanna remove that... I've 300+ death.. Half of them for 60 skills/erasers. Plus when I'm afk in base I always get erased .-.
Obvious remove DF and pog too... ruins pvp.
Greetings,
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| Alcondragon | Date: Saturday, 2012-08-04, 4:37 AM | Message # 5 |
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| 60 skills need to be removed. ive played this server for all of 2 days and the majority of my deaths have been 60 skills. i love everything else about this server. but 60 skills need to go.
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| Rozdupcator | Date: Thursday, 2012-08-23, 1:07 AM | Message # 6 |
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| Yap . 60 skills should be a deleted because who sits in AH and recreating gear uber 2 stats and HP so each can kill U on 60 skill :P
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| Sondey | Date: Thursday, 2012-08-23, 6:03 AM | Message # 7 |
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| 60 Skills should not be deleted, there is an important reason.
New Players will come, search the Skills, and then they are like "WTF, no Eraser, PV" , whatever.
It would be Okay to remove 60 Skills on an overpowred EP 5 Server, but on EP4, they are just helpful and very very needed.
And by the Way, in PvP Ranking only KILLS should be shown, not the Deaths. So people wouldn't take care so much if they Die or not.
Please dont remove them, they are a part of the Game! ! ! ! !
This would ruin something,,,Please dont do it!,,,
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| Creeps | Date: Thursday, 2012-08-23, 6:07 AM | Message # 8 |
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| I Disagree 100%. 60 skills are crucial to pvp for several reasons, few of which i've outlined below.
NUMBER 1. REC. How are you going to kill these toons without 60 skills when they have 20-29,000 hp. It takes 5 people at least 10 seconds to kill ONE of them and they just move right back. If at some point you put on a rec set and it took more than 10 shots to kill you, you are probably on someone's 60 list.
2. When you kill an "uber" great pvper, it weakens the morale of the opposing side since they have to do the initial work without them. By the time the person has buffed and moved back, enough chaos has occurred.
3. When you 60 the person talking in purple chat, they are dead and can't lead their raid till they move back and get an idea of what happened in the time they missed.
4. Healers. 60'ing even 1 healer can tilt a push one way or anyother.
5. Runners. Come out with dayfly, and then run back behind guards as soon as it wears off. If you've got 10 people in raid, why am i getting 3 kills on every push? If i can't kill you before you get to your safe zone, you will be 60'd.
While it is possible to take time and kill the "uber" and "leader" and "rec toon" and "healer" and "Runners" without using 60 skills, the time would be a lot longer and often the First 30 seconds of a push will decide who wins it. Better to 60 them, and spend those 30 seconds killing the others rather than spending all your time on 1 person.
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| [GS]Tyrfing | Date: Thursday, 2012-08-23, 6:39 AM | Message # 9 |
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| I say keep them but I can also play devil's advocate to some responses =D
Quote (Creeps) 1. REC. How are you going to kill these toons without 60 skills when they have 20-29,000 hp.
thats why mages/pagans are there
Quote (Creeps) 2. When you kill an "uber" great pvper, it weakens the morale of the opposing side since they have to do the initial work without them. By the time the person has buffed and moved back, enough chaos has occurred.
not really much of a big thing here since most of us are on equal terms.
Quote (Creeps) 3. When you 60 the person talking in purple chat, they are dead and can't lead their raid till they move back and get an idea of what happened in the time they missed.
I dont see many people leading raids use purple chat mid push, usually directions are given first then they use purple chat to either end the push or to give a specific target (usually a mage/pagan or they will say archers/hunters) which they can do even if not there.
Quote (Creeps) 5. Runners. Come out with dayfly, and then run back behind guards as soon as it wears off. If you've got 10 people in raid, why am i getting 3 kills on every push? If i can't kill you before you get to your safe zone, you will be 60'd.
stuns 
Quote (Sondey) hey are just helpful and very very needed.
not needed, just nice to have.
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My reason to keep them is very simple. Gives me 1 more reason to laugh when people use a 60 and fail to kill me =D
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| LeBlanc | Date: Thursday, 2012-08-23, 9:40 AM | Message # 10 |
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| I've to disagree with GS Tyrfing on your arguments
1) M/P might deal decent damage if built as such, however their own obligation is debuffing/stunning, not dealing damage...
2) There isn't a whole lot of difference, however there is a difference between an experienced player, high ranked and/or a freshmen.
3) You've never seen me take lead then  To warn for DF's - call out targets in DF-nightmares, call out P/O to remove the dispels and most importantly, going for a player twice, so CD on movement stones kick in - removing them from the contest for a limited time - I know teleportation stones work for this case, however bring that to a cooldown as well..
5) Dispelable...
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| DemiGod | Date: Thursday, 2012-08-23, 12:57 PM | Message # 11 |
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| If we remove 60 skills that means that we remove DF/PoG/UT/melee..And I don't understand why people make full rec def/guard, it's really useless...Well nvm if people come here that means that they tried an Original Server and there aren't lot of nubs in game so pvp is pretty balanced when we have same number. This server is completely FREE so who need 60 skills to kill someone?
Greets,
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| Alcondragon | Date: Friday, 2012-08-24, 11:37 PM | Message # 12 |
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| If you cant pvp without using 60 skills then go re-think your build. I havent even wasted my points on the nooob 60 skills. and im almost 3rd chev. so pvp isnt at all affected by removing 60 skills. In the same breath, i have almost 500 deaths. Guess where 375 of them are from?... 
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| -yay- | Date: Sunday, 2012-08-26, 5:46 PM | Message # 13 |
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| Change 60 skills for priest.
Now EB is useless in pvp. This skill is good for farm, not for pvp!
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| Caylx | Date: Monday, 2012-08-27, 1:02 AM | Message # 14 |
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| Quote (-yay-) Now EB is useless in pvp. This skill is good for farm, not for pvp!
Absolutely wrong!
Without EB I use daggers simply for faster casting,
WITH EB I switch to staffs because 1) Gives more attack power and 2) EB makes my attack speed extremely fast. (I don't fancy putting two flashes in my staffs, I'm an attack power whore. *Shrugs*)
I have two armor sets for my pagan.
One set is LUC and INT.
The other set is ONLY INT.
Without EB I use the LUC and INT set.
WITH EB I use the ONLY INT set because EB substitutes for my LUC so I crit anyway. [:
So my point is, with EB, my pagan gains way more magic attack power [:
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| -yay- | Date: Monday, 2012-08-27, 2:06 AM | Message # 15 |
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| But if you die, then EB is gone.<--Change this i mean, or change for better skills : D
In this form EB is useless.
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